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Hi, thanks for your discussion post. I have some notes which may be helpful to you, with some of your quotes being in bold
"I've
been researching mystery cults and their connections to ancient
Egyptian rituals for about seven years now and wanted to share some of
the information I've come across.
I have been through Initiation. The real, original process you are speaking of. One which still exists today
I am versed in the Sumerian, Egyptian, Eleusinian/Greek, Norse, Australian Aboriginal and many other traditions
I
can offer you "knowledge" on exactly what these processes were/are and
what they are supposed to teach. Though much of it may be difficult to
"understand" without you having gone through and experienced the
processes yourself
This is part of what we refer to in Illumination as "the primary truth", which is:
"The only thing you will ever know for certain in this world is that you exist
Everything else is up for debate
Personal belief is not the same as knowing
Knowing is not the same as understanding"
The process you are speaking of, historically, was, and still is referred to as "Illumination"
This is a very specific term, which has been sensationalised in modern times with terms such as "Illuminati" to direct a collective fear and mistrust towards those who actively seek the mysteries
The more commonly used modern version of this term is "Enlightenment". But this is a term which seems to have been intentionally corrupted to promote a very different meaning to what is intended
"Illumination", as a term, promotes true light. Such as the eminent nature of self, as one with the source
"Enlightenment", as a term, promotes a light which needs be given. Such as the nature of a subject to a system, which offers the source
Illumination, you are one with the source. Enlightenment, you are subject to the source
A very important distinction. Within which, the adoption of the divorced term "enlightenment" appears to be linked to a modern theist adaptations of the ancient knowledge of the mysteries
The term "Illumination" is found within the correct title translation for the writings commonly referred to as the Egyptian "book of the dead"
The more accurate commonly accepted translations for these writings are "the book of going forth by day", or "the book of emerging into light"
But the intended translation is actually "the book of Illumination". But even this is not technically correct, as it should be something more like "Writings of the Illuminated"
"The book of going forth by day" the primary, being that which emerges from the author. "Illumination"
"The book of emerging into light" the primary being that which offers the light to the author. "Enlightenment"
This
distinction in the titles is not something which is so much
"intentional" in its modern form. But rather it has to do with the
perspective of the person translating the texts
It is something that is very important to consider and understand, to anyone who seeks the mysteries
Something which forms part of a very common problem when trying to translate and understand ancient texts
If
you are one of a mind which has been theistically aligned to perceive
themselves as subject to both the creator and their creation, then it
becomes very hard to comprehend and translate ancient texts which are
written from the perspective of someone who views themselves as being
one in the same with both creator and creation
As you emerge from the source of light, and day, so too are you that light and source
For if you were not connected in such a way, you would not, could not exist (original sin)
The
common term we use for people who interpret things subjectively is "the
uninitiated". As they have yet to "go in" to that which they emerged
from, as with seeking the mysteries
A
very common problem in the uninitiated comprehending the knowledge of
the initiates, is that they have no basis for understanding the things
which we as initiates have been through and experienced personally, in
order to gain such understanding
As within the primary truth
"Knowledge" can be given
But true "understanding" can only come through experience
An example:
I
can write pages of knowledge for you, on the exact processes, and what
it was like to physically experience death and be resuscitated, so that I
could enter the underworld to become an initiate
But unless you have been through it yourself and experienced it, you will never truly understand
How do you possibly explain traversing dimensions, to those who are yet to even recognise the true nature of their own dreams?
The opposite of "the mysteries" is "Illumination". This is where the term comes from
You go into the darkness (the mysteries) and bring back a "light" of knowledge from within the unknown
Light that others do not have, or, are often to scared to seek
How do you explain to Christians trying to save your mortal soul, that you do not fear death, nor what is behind it?
Most of them, if you told them you had willingly sacrificed and willingly given to your life, they would not believe you
Because it is so far beyond their comprehension of what what we as people are possible of
They are afraid of dying, and what lays beyond it. Therefore they think that all people are. Or, that they should be
The Illuminated do not fear God, nor what lays beyond this world
We have tasted it, to enter the underworld, as a requirement of our purification
Catharsis - Mind - Past - Pain
Purification - Heart - Future - Fear
Cleansing - Body - Gateway - Blockages
We do not seek, or need, salvation
As every initiate personally goes through a very real process, similar to that which many call "Christ"
Though we have a much deeper understanding of what "Christ" is than any of the uninitiated can possibly understand ...
Or even imagine (King James)
We
spend many years traversing the underworld, facing the sentient
"gatekeepers" who manifest the product of our own pain, fears and
impurity
What many theists refer to as "Demons"
We suffer through years of constant, incessant and unrelenting torture, mentally, emotionally and physically. Day and night ...
Until we face every pain, and every fear. Cleanse our body
Till we become "blameless / faultless"
This sounding familiar?
Meaning, there is nothing that said "Demons" can harm us with
This is very similar to the "Seraphim" flying around the throne of God shouting "Holy, holy, holy" in the Bible
Sentient entries reminding you of all the ways in which you are impure, unworthy and not "Holy"
In
Illumination we refer to the "Ark of the covenant" as the heart
gateway. It is, essentially, the human heart. With "Gold" being "blood".
And the poles being arteries. But I won't go too much into this here
To
this end, it becomes very difficult for many who adopt a blanket
theistic approach to answering any mystery or "unknown", to ever be
"Illuminated"
Religion is supposed to be a guideline that is followed towards a greater and deeper understanding
Many within religion understand this
But the majority, erroneously see it as an any answer to anything unknown
The forsake the beauty and nature of mysteries, by convincing themselves they have all the answers they will ever need
And
by such, ironically, they disrespect the wonders to be found within the
mysteries of creation itself, and by such forsake its creator
Within initiation we say:
"Imagine
creating the most amazing puzzle ever created. Only to have people so
enamored by it's creation, that they never attempt to solve it ...
Or worse ... They actively try to block and attack those who would"
This has unfortunately become a common wrong path that many modern religious walk
It is all based in fear
"The religious fear God ...
The Illuminated respect God"
The
paths themselves are very similar. It is only the interpretation of the
uninitiated which corrupts religions which are, essentially, modern
incarnations of ancient mystery schools
To the point where the Churches themselves are not aware of the greater and deeper meaning within their own texts
The
important thing to understand, is that most "funerary" texts, speaking
of an underworld journey, are not speaking of something which happens
after you die, as is commonly believed. But rather an initiation and
ascension process which takes place while you are still alive
Initiation - Meaning "to go into" - The lesser mysteries
Ascension - Meaning " to go out from" - The greater mysteries
There
are very particular "alignments" of people in this world, who actively
seek to keep this understanding hidden or secret, for various reasons.
Who would have you believe that the process of judgement is something
that can only be carried out when you die
But if such were the case, then there would be no need for initiation
And it would be impossible for such knowledge to exist in this world
The
only way it could possibly exist and be documented as prolifically as
it is throughout history, is if living people returned to tell the tale
and document their experiences
I am one of these people
I can go into as much detail, on whatever you would like to know
Some
good context as to just how badly translated and understood the ancient
texts, such as the funerary texts are (some, seemingly intentionally)
can be found by watching from 1:31:33 in the YouTube video below
https://youtu.be/ZCkQqNI6EyQ?si=_gdIWJryEyMgLB2Q
The ancient Egyptians did not even have a word for death. The referred to it as "Westing"
The reason being, that they understood that the sun in the sky, was one in the same with their mind
Such as with the hieroglyph ⊙ which is said to mean "Ra" or "Sun", but actually means "Mind"
Something well understood in more modern mystery texts such as the Kybalion
So
how is it possible that one of the most important Egyptian texts came
to be referred to by Western scholars as "the book of the dead"? When
this is not the accepted title, and those that wrote the texts did not
even have a word for death?
Could
it be because these Western scholars were writing from a theist
perspective on the nature of the world and it's processes? Without any
real understanding (or even knowledge) or what the ancients understood?
You
should consider all texts need to be horribly incorrectly translated.
To the point of some of them being completely backwards to their
intended meaning. Because I can tell you from my own experiences and
understanding
Part
of initiation is being taught to read and understand the phonetic roots
of all numbers and language. We are taught the meaning of individual
symbols, so that we can understand the "coding" of our symbols and the
number and letter systems
There
are very particular exercises we go through for many years, to rewire
our brains to think cyclically and bi-directionally, so that we can read
recognise coding and algorithm within all forms of written symbols.
Things that others are oblivious to
We understand the root of all written languages. We can speak dead languages (true Phoenician)
I
have not finished reading all of your post (which is very good may I
say) as there is just to much for me to respond to already
So
I thought I would post this first, introducing myself and responding to
just a few things. To see if you are even interested in knowing what I
can offer. Before I possibly waste time going into too much detail
Contrary
to popular belief, we are not sworn to secrecy on any of what we
understand. Such would defeat the purpose of obtaining the light we
worked so hard for. For what is light which shines for none?
We
are merely taught it better not to speak on things, if we are speaking
to people without the basis, or want, to try understanding
Pearls before swine. A waste of our time
And so we say "We will not speak of such things with you"
But
to those who have ears to hear, and are open to listening? We will
share whatever they are able to digest. Almost as a matter of duty, to
give back, for that which we were given
This is the difference between the Illuminated and many other modern versions of the mystery schools
And why so many fear the Illuminated. We know things very few do, and we have no problem sharing with those who wish to know
If you are interested. I can go through and give simple notes on what you posted, similar to a few I have included below
From which you can ask if you wish me to elaborate on anything
As I offered earlier, we say "blameless", for the which is beyond your control, or "faultless" for that which is
"The
guilt of the deceased was that which stood in the way of his
transformation into the eternal form of a “transfigured ancestral
spirit.” It was the Egyptian form of the Pauline concept, “the wages of
sin is death” (Romans 6:23)..."
The original concept of "sin" translated in Biblical verses such as this has been lost in translation
"Miss
the mark" means to carry over, or past a centre or standard. Hence
where it has been confused to mean wrongdoing. In its original context,
it did not mean deviation from a standard, but rather the expression of
any such standard or carriage. For instance, colour would be said to be
sin of light
It cognates with "eminent" in its
Greek form, and "sine and since", in its English form. Meaning that that
which arcs or bows outwards (or afterwards) from that which carries
over and outwards or "misses the mark"
There are many conceptualised mistranslations such as this in the Bible
Another example is κακός - Kakos, which is said to mean "Evil". When it actually means "Conclude" or "To End"
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